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MarvelKnight4

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I think that this is Brandon Vera's chance to move up to Contender Status but i honestly feel that even though Vera has sick striking he's still gun-shy and hasn't been attacking and hasn't been as agressive as when he was at Heavyweight. For this fight he needs to work on his ground defense, specifically work off his back and takedown defense because that's where Couture is gonna take the fight and Vera has shown that he can get mounted fairly easy and has poor takedown defense and not so good defense off his back BUT he does have decent sub skills but only when he's on top.

Couture is problably the smartest MMA Fighter ever, he always attacks his opponents weaknesses and does his best to avoid their strengths which is why at his age he still has been able to hold his own. He;s for sure going to try and take Vera down and "Couture" his way to victory which he certainly can. Vera better be ready to attack and push the pace on Couture because if he does that i think he'll be able to get Couture to gas fast and problably score a tko or ko but i still think that Couture is strong enough and because of all of his experience he'll be able to control Vera on the ground and problably score a ref stoppage. If Couture decides to stand i will be very surprised because Vera is young, fast and really skilled with his kicks and overall strikes and for sure will drop Couture if Couture is unable to take the fight to the ground. I'm sure that Vera will win but Couture is "Couture" so i'm not counting him out at all. If Couture can take the fight to the ground i feel he'll either score a ref stoppage(especially if it's Mirgliatta) or score a tko, if Vera can avoid the ground he'll for sure score a tko or ko, this fight will not go all 3 rounds.

Vera via tko or ko

Posted 2 weeks ago #
Gunslinger

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I feel so bad because i love randy but he had better shock the world again because i have all my money on that vera will ko randy in the first 2 mins....

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MarvelKnight4

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I think that Vera's biggest weakness right now is his mental sate. If he had been more agressive and fought how he's faught in the past which is just let himself go naturally with his instincts he would have been able to finish Krystov IMO. Vera has sick striking that's way better than what he has displayed lately but his lack to engage i think will cost him big fights and opportunities. One thing's for sure, Couture is going to come at him with all he has and he's not going to be thinking twice about engaging the fight against Vera so this fight is perfect for Vera to have his come out party and he should use this fight with Couture to get comfortable with attacking more.

I still think that if Vera gets taken down Randy will control him there and possibly score a decision or maybe even a ref stopppage. Vera should be fine if he keeps the fight standing but who knows, maybe Couture does have one last surprise in him.

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jcohl

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Everyone knows by now that I'm a diehard Couturian, but at some point age catches up with all of us, and Lord knows it pains me to even type those words.

If Vera can come out and overwhelm Couture early with his superior Thai boxing, he can probaby get a quick ref stoppage because NO ONE even remotely connected to this sport wants to see Randy Couture bloodied and carried out of the cage on a stretcher, and that includes Vera himself.

However, If Vera starts off slow, and tentative, which he sometimes has, he's going to get schooled in elements of MMA that don't get discussed as much as striking and grappling, and those are Octagon control, executing fightplan, and as my boy mk pointed out, being significantly smarter and more experienced than your opponent.
Unless Vera comes out ready to rock out with his co<k out, we're going to see him get manuevered into bad positions, stuck in the clinch but at the wrong angle for Thai knee strikes, rolled against the cage but into Couture's power shots, and then eventually taken down and pounded on until the ref waves the Natural off of Vera.
Unfortunately Vera has yet to display any sort of consistent and capable takedown defense, and more importantly, a strong ability to get back to his feet when he's been grounded, or worse yet, mounted.

I admit to being too much of a Couturian to objectively pick a winner here, but I will go out on this limb, and say that if Couture mounts Vera, this fight will be stopped and Couture will probably be facing Rich Franklin in a few months time, and Vera is going to have to take a long hard look at his MMA self from head to toe, and find out why he can't beat a man close to his dad's age....

Posted 2 weeks ago #
NicKageB

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Good stuff guys
I'm pickin Vera. The unaging Randy is finally, inevitably, doing just that(aging). Before his age catching up with him was just a passing thought, filling our schemas of old athletes but now hes fulfilling it. His chin has gone to he11 and he seems to get predictable in fights. Big Nog has looked pretty horrible on his feet since hes been in the UFC but Randy made him look pretty dmn good. If Randy does win I say it's only by a long drawn out decision, but if this fight gets stopped by the ref it will be "The Truth"s hand getting raised.

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MarvelKnight4

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i honestly feel that Couture knows that Vera has been gun-shy and isn't all there mentally and Couture i ready to go all out and take advantage of that. Vera is very skilled and has ko power in his kicks and punches but i feel that he will not engage the fight and get taken down and the ref will stop the fight, unless Vera presses the fight he'll problably leave openings and an opportunity for Couture to get comfortable.

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carls

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The biggest thing to remeber here guys is that its Randy were talking about. I dont know about any of you but every time the guy is suppose to win a fight he loses and everytime he is suppose to lose. Its when he impresses us the most.

One of Vera's biggest kinks in his armour has been his conditioning. And if there is someone who will put it to the test its Randy. Everytime these two are face to face Vera will have one shot to get off his killing blow on Randy before he gets clinched with and taken down by one of the greatest ever. Randy might not have the best chin but he has good head movement and timing. Couture 101 this time guys.

Randy by UD

Posted 2 weeks ago #
Eldiablo

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This is probably one of the tougher fights for me to call. From the outside, I'd say Vera hands down. He's younger, faster, maybe stronger, his clinch is at least on par with Coutures, his striking is leagues ahead, and he's got a definate reach advantage. Like it was mentioned above, his only downfall is his cardio. If I didn't see Couture take it to Lesnar almost one year ago to the day, I'd say Randy doesn't stand a Rogan's change in sobrietyville. The guy knows how to wear down his opponent, and that's what makes it hard to call. Sure, Vera could get a couple huge strikes and take Randy out quick, but Randy has decent head movement and I can see him rushing Brandon to the cage like he did to Lesnar at 91. Couture proved he could hang with Big Nog, and that's no small feat. What's one year? Sure a year can wreak havok on your hairline, but Randy's been doing nothing but improving over his career, so this past year should be nothing different.

I see Randy pulling off the upset, one way or another.

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carls

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Awesome post dude. pretty funny to.

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Eldiablo

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thanks carls

*Rogan's chance in Sobrietyville

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bigmike12

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great fight. im hopin randy destroys vera simply because randy is a stud and vera has a rlly g4y celebration haha

Posted 2 weeks ago #
MarvelKnight4

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I think that Vera is finally going to show everything he's got in this fight, like i said this can be his coming out party or his demise via "Couture'd"

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Gunslinger

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I dont know what some of you guys are talking about brandon vera having a bad mental state.....he is gonna be better for this fight more than any other.....his mental state is perfect watch all the interviews for this fight hes doing everything right.......I want randy to destroy him i really do but after watching big nog vs couture i dont see how a better striker with better takedown defense and is quicker can lose to couture.......couture can only come out there and do one thing and we all know what that is...vera can go in there and be strong enough and quick enough to do what ever he wants..which gives brandon an almost unstoppable advantage....i hate to say it but i just dont se how randy can win this fight......i dont think he will be quick enough or strong enough to get vera down

Posted 2 weeks ago #
MarvelKnight4

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i agree Gun,

I feel that the most Couture will be able to do is just try not to get finished like he did against Nog, other than that Vera should be able to get the win, but we'll see.

Posted 2 weeks ago #
carls

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He was quick enough and strong enough to get Sylvia, Gonzaga, and Lesnar down. I know what your getting at Gun and i allways respect your opinion but your a little off on that one. Can Vera beat Couture? Absolutly, but to say that he wont be able to take Brandon down is disrespectful to one of the greatest fighters weve ever had. At least IMO.

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MarvelKnight4

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carls,

as much as i respect Couture, i feel that he has zero ko power left and he might not be able to take Vera down, and i say that as a person who admires and respects Couture like he11. Vera is still young and is entering his prime and simply Couture's age gets worse with each day that passes,

BUT... like i said above i might be wrong and Couture may have one last "Couture" like performance in him and might be able to take Vera down and control him but we'll see..

Posted 2 weeks ago #
jcohl

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Sounds like almost everyone agrees.
Brandon Vera isn't Couture's toughest opponent, TIME is...

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MarvelKnight4

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jcohl,

dude as i think about this fight more and more i find myself believing that Couture can beat Vera, it's mostly due to simple factors that i feel Couture can pull it off:

1. Couture is the smartest MMA Fighter ever period
2. He's extremely experienced and his cage control and command are second to none
3. Vera doesn't do well at all when he;s on his back(Fabricio fu*king Werdum mounted him)
4. Vera might still be gun-shy and might allow Couture to measure him up and go for the kill.

That's how i got Couture possibly winning this fight.

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carls

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^^exactly

Posted 2 weeks ago #
jazzkok

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Excellent points Marvel. These advantages are always talked about in every upcoming couture fight and i believe with whoever he fights he will likely always take these things with him. However, i do believe(gut feeling,hope,whatever) that this will be the fight that we see the vera best of vera's game and I don't see this going past the 1st round.
Vera has also become a smart fighter that has been confused for being a little gun shy. I do think he's been a little gun shy but only against sylvia and jardine. Against krystov he fought smart imo.
Vera has no doubt analized the $hit out of randy's habits and fights and should know that the only chance he's got is to come out aggressive and guns blazing. The more the fight goes on, the more likely it will be for couture to win the fight. Vera knows this or i hope knows this and will come out and display some of that sick muay thai that we saw when he was @ hw calling out chuck lidell.

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MarvelKnight4

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good stuff Jazzkok,

i think that Vera needs to come out swinging hard and smartly and push the pace right away and try to gas out Couture and ustilize his leg kicks and possibly try to get Couture in the Muay Thai clinch where he can do serious damage. Vera should attack Couture's legs to disable some movement and create more opporunities to score a ko, that's his best shot is to push the pace with killer leg kicks and stay away from takedown range.

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Gunslinger

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carls, im not dissing couture im a fellow couture lover i would lick the sweat off his wrestling matts if had the chance....Im just saying the couture that fought sylvia and gonzaga is not the couture that fought lesnar, BIG Nog or the one that will fight vera just look at how much his body hads changed and his face.....In the sylvia fight he still looked crazy healthy but now his body is really starting to look really really damaged.....carls i just dont see how im disrespecting couture...i love him dude i took that to offense because i would do nothing to disrespect couture...I just dont see how he can get veras legs when he couldnt get big nogs....I love ranyd as much as the next guy but he is starting to fall apart ....did you see his head after the nog fight it looked like his skull was caving in...

-Couture may very well be the smartest fighter of all time
-he has the biggest heart of any mma fighter
- he is definitly # 1 or #2 greatest fighter ever....but im saying his body cant keep up with his heart or mind anymore

-Randy used to take huge punches but now i see less powerful ones drop him than they used to....and vera will definitly hit him the hardest anyone has and that just doesnt sound good

I HOPE AND PRAY THAT COUTURE PULLS OFF ANOTHER ONE AND WINS THIS BUT I JUST DONT SEE IT HAPPENING...IM SORRY I RESPECT THE HECK OUTTA COUTURE BUT IM NOT BETTING AGAINST RANDY BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER DO THAT....IM BETTING AGAINST HIS AGE AND BODY.......HES STARTING TO LOOK LIKE HE IS ALMOST 60

Posted 2 weeks ago #
MarvelKnight4

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This fight has potential to go a lot of different ways or it can just end real quick real fast, most of it depends on how Couture will show up, at his age cutting back down to 205 might not be so easy and might have a serious effect on the fight night.

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MarvelKnight4

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Can't wait for this weekend? Does anyone know when the Countodown will air?

Posted 1 week ago #
Gunslinger

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idk mk4, but after watching the failure that was strikeforce-(except for fedor rogers that was an awesome fight)...I really cant wait to see ufc 105 because i think it has potentiol to be one of the best cards this year

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dontbedone

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i think if vera comes out and throws leg kicks while constantly circling, he can wear randys body quickly.. the key is to do it early and stay off the cage... for his sake i hope he has some escapes ready for if randy gets him down, hes gonna need them.. lots of jabs and when randy comes in get the knees ready...

if randy gets an early takedown it could be a boost for randy psychologically and he knows eventually he can get them often.. randy is not afraid to eat a shot or two in exchange for a leg... and the dirty boxing is a huge weapon for randy seeing as i think vera is trained to make his strikes count at a measured distance, randy is great at positioning and arm play on the fence..

i think vera is going to land a very precise knee in the clinch on the chin and randy is going to drop , round 3

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Gunslinger

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i personally think vera will drop him earlier than that dontbedone....but really nice assement there i would agree with alot of it

The thing thats hard is randys most powerful weapon, his dirty boxing is completly nulified in this fight because randy has a good clinch but he will want nothing to do with veras clinch in this fight or he'll be faceplanting the floor fast out cold......randy's key to victory is takedown , takedown,takedown....thats really all he's got....if randy cant get vera against the cage for a takedown its gonna be lightout.....and i really think its gonna be hard for randy to achieve the right position for a takedown against vera without getting caught by a clinch strike or a submission

Posted 1 week ago #
carls

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I hope the winner of this fight takes on the winner of Rashad/Silva then we'd have a pretty desrving #1 contender. Besides it will be a little while before the whole Rua/Machida thing gets straightened out, plus recovery time after they fight.

Posted 1 week ago #
dontbedone

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yeah i see your view ... randy is really good at putting someone on the cage and finding a postion that keeps him from taking too much damage(like holding a guy with an over-under while burying his head low near the armpit) while biding his time to make the throw.. so i dont think randy is too worried about close quarters

i was thinking an earlier exit for randy like you were, but i thought perhaps vera comes out slow and conservative, wear-him-out style

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jcohl

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If you check my above post. I think slow and steady is the way Vera gets beat by the Natural.
Vera's advanatges should be his speed, his cardio, and his striking, considering his age and skillset.
From the second the ref waves them on, Vera should come out like someone is holding a gun to his wife's head, and lay it on Couture like he's serious about fightin gin the UFC.
If Vera tries to ease into this fight, and work it in a lower gear like he has other fights, its going to give Couture time to use his superior experience, Octagon control, fight intelligence, and body positioning to neutralize Vera against the cage.
And the last place you want to be in a fight with Couture is against the cage, getting dirty boxed and just waiting for the inevitable Greco throw and subsequent pounding...

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