Does any one find it odd that in the past people have fought and battled through more serious injurys and sickness.
Frank Mir VS. Nog. (Nog training with a staff infection) Still fought
Keith Jardine VS Rampage Jackson (Jackson messed up Jaw) Still fought
Just Curious on peoples thought on why the flu and pulled muscles are stopping people that call themselves fighters
? first of all
brock- has mono....if you didnt know mono can keep guys sick for a while.....a girl in my school had it one year and she was out for almost 4 months.....mono is serious...brock is a fighter he is sick!
gsp-pulled groin muscle......you might not know it but a pulled groin muscle is not like other pulled muscles....a pulled groin muscle can keep you injuried for a while until your healed up......gsp is injured he is a fighter!
anderson silva- has bone spurs in his elbow....he is injured he is a fighter
big nog didnt have staff when he fought he was still recoverying when he had it
rampage didnt have a messed up jaw ....his jaw just clicked when he moved it...he didnt feel any pain and it didnt give him problems...it was just clicking
Ok and don't forget Big Nog also ended up counting the ceiling lights that night and Rampage ended up requiring surgery on his jaw.
As the sport progresses and you're at the top you need to be close to 100% in order to compete with the best in your division. Brock versus Carwin wouldn't be a fight if Brock were still recovering. Not to mention Brock wanted to fight sooner rather than later like he was first asked(that's why Carwin-Cain was scrapped) so the fact that now it's being pushed back to a normal champions schedule people want to get upset.
you can't expect fighters to fight through injuries, they have to keep themselves healthy to avoid worse and more serious injuries and don't forget that this is their job so why put it in jeapordy just for the sake of proving that you are a "fighter".
i know fighters like to be at 100% and im not arguing the fact of being healthy. im just saying Rich Franklin fought with a torn groin. Brock Lesner was seen out in public sporting event and i understand Mono is horrible but i have had Mono and i wasnt able to get out of bed i was so worn out i barely ate. im not Arguing Anderson Silva that man has nothing to prove in the UFC but it seems like things are just getting more laid back in the UFC and or just to big to where the little things are holding the fighters back because it more of a show than mma but this is just my opinion and im not wanting to fight just see everyone thoughts on the subject
zlh123,
dude i can for sure see what your saying. Now things are becoming more and more about "good business" rather than "love for the sport"m especially with the bigger names fighters are being more hesitant tworads which fight to take and which fight not to take and making sure that their marketability and street cred stay in tact.
As for Lesnar, i think the guy wants to fight because he's always been a true competitor so this thing he has is problably more serious than we initially thought.
There are some injuries that i feel fighters can indeed fight through ans still be successfull but that ultimately falls on the hands of the fighter to make the decision to fight or not. But there are also injuries and illnesses that require you to take time off whether you want to fight or not.
In the case of Anderson Silva and GSP i think that not only them and their camps, but also Dana White and the UFC want them to hold out for a little longer because those two are arguably the 2 top Fighters in the World and the UFC needs to take care of them and make sure that the fighters escercise caution as well because they are huge draws and are current champs.
As I've mentioned before, I think late one rainy night Dana White sideswiped an old gypsy woman, and with her dying breath she cursed the UFC.
After all, you all saw pics of his wrecked ride, right?
;)
Also, it has been mentioned to me that the term "gypsy" might be racially offensive to some, so my apologies to both the gypsy and the spell-casting communities...
"spell-casting communities" awesome stuff dude
LOL, "I curse you, THINNER"....Great movie by the way with one of the greatest endings ever.
Anyways, I've never fought and never really trained for any sport on a professional level, but I've always been active with hockey, getting owned at high school wrestling, more hockey, and then a bit of ball hockey in the summer. I've had mono, and it sucks the big one. ztlh123 hit the nail on the head; you can't do sh!t. And if anyone actually saw the Lesnar video at the Vikings game, the dude barely broke a smile and looked more out of it than Nate Diaz trying to get into a 24 hour gym. When you're sick with something more than the common cold, competing is impossible. I've gone out onto the ice under the weather, and I paid for it after my first shift. And that's hockey, not MMA. I can't necessarily relate, but sort of.
Now most of the frenzy probably knows I'm a Lesnar-aholic, so most of my commentaries are biased. So I'll keep it short: as MK4 pointed out, Lesnar loves to compete; it's what drives him. As someone who's followed his "career" post college, I can tell you that he's not one for excuses. Go watch that match vs Kurt Angle at Wrestlemania and tell me he's soft (yeah it's fake wrestling, but the bumps are real).
Almost all of you here in the forum have read me go off on Lesnar time and again.
Did any of you ever hear me say the guy was soft, or ducking fighters, or feigning illness or injury?
Over in the commentaries some sh!tstain accused Lesnar of actually hitting his female, and I nearly sharted in disbelief!
I've done my fair share, and more, of Lesnar-bashing, but I hope to He11 I never sounded like one of those trolls over in the commentaries area...
Don't worry jchol. I know you despise Lesnar and as the Frenzy's resident Lesnarian I can say that whenever you go off on him your reasons are clear and coherent, although I disagree with you usually 100% of the time :)
I'm personally getting a little ticked about the trolls over on the main site and wanted to rip them all a new one about them talking about Lesnar avoiding the fight and all that. You my friend are no troll.
you know, the way i deal with "trolls" is by reffering to them as "hey new guy", that gets on their nerves, i just do it to teach them a lesson for "trolling" around here at Frenzy.
On this subject, Stephan Bonner was talking on MMA live about the recent rash of injuries and what not, and said that it is not a "curse" but just evidence of a shift in how the UFC approaches sick/injured fighters. In the past they would threaten the guys' jobs if they wanted to pull out, now they are more understanding, partly because they have such a large talent pool to draw from.
I would say its a question of simple math...with a couple of shows a month, the number of injuries is bound to go up...nothing crazy imo...more fighters training = more fighters possibly getting injured
The only upside I see of this rash of injuries and illness is that maybe some undercard talent might get an opportunity to shine?
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