Brett "The Grim" Rogers (Showtime short)
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fedor will smash the brett rogers hype.....fedor by ko or fedor by armbar in the first round
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OK, good watch.
First of all, much obliged to fr702 for another sweet video posted.Second, I won't go as far as to say that Rogers CAN'T beat Fedor, because like Lil'Shammy said, in MMA anyone can beat anybody.
After all, Rogers beat Arlovski, although truth to tell that win is probably more illustrative of AA's plummeting mental focus and fight style misalignment than Rogers being a world class fighter, or even striker.
But realistically, this fight is a mismatch, and I think we should start regarding it as such, and not as any sort of real test for a fighter of Fedor's regard. Fedor should win this fight, and easily. Said victory will not add anything to Fedor's illustrious career, seeing as how he has more fighting skill in his thumb than Rogers has in his 275 pound body.
I am however completely confortable saying that Rogers WON'T beat Fedor, unless Rogers catches a hit of the super-soldier serum before fight night :)Third, as glad as I am to see Strikeforce growing and promoting nationally on CBS, my natural inclination to keep things here at the frenZy grounded at some level of reality is kicking into hyperdrive.
Brett Rogers, while good media for his "rags to riches" personal backstory, is once all is said and done a TUF level HW stepping in against a man who has beaten almost everyone he's faced, and in some cases beaten many of those men easily.
Rogers' opponent is universally regarded as the finest SAMBO practitioner on the planet, and fighting in a cage will only accentuate that advantage, considering as how SAMBO is close to MMA, which is why I was curious when someone in the vid mentions that Fedor fighting in a cage might be an issue.
It also bears mentioning that Rogers for the purposes of the discussion has no ground game to speak of. No wrestling cred, either freestyle or Greco-Roman, no BJJ belt of any color, no Pancrase experience that I can find record of, not even the minimum basic self-defense groundfighting taught by the Defense Department to members of the various armed forces or taught to metropolitan police departments and private security forces by private instructors who's last names are usually like Gracie or Machado.
Maybe Rogers has just done an awesome job of training on the downlow, but in his fights I've seen no indication that he's anything other than a huge man stepping into the cage and tripping the MAN-BEAR-PIG switch once the cage door shuts. The action goes from there until he either wins the fight or gasses. A breakdown of Rogers' fight resume reveals that he's never gone more than 8 minutes in his pro career, so his cardio, like the cardio of most HWs, has to be called into question.
Also, with the exception of Arlovski, the only "name" opponents that Rogers has beaten were well-traveled Butterbean and Kimbo Slice punching bag James Thompson [1-6 with 1 NC in the last 2 years] and Jon "Man of Faith" Murphy [6-3], who is known primarily for being used on the Bully Beatdown MTV show by Jason "Mayhem" Miller.When you factor in all of the above, one has to ask oneself, "what the fu<k is Brett Rogers doing in the same cage with Fedor?"
Good question.
The answer is obvious.
Fedor's handlers and Strikeforce want to make a good first impression to a network audience, which is understandable.
Less understandable is why they selected Rogers, a relative no-name, to be Fedor's first CBS/Strikeforce victim. You would think that both M-1 Global and Strikeforce would want their meal ticket to publicly execute some victim with a bit more MMA cred than Brett "Who?" Rogers, especially considering as how they feel that Fedor is the best in the world, and could submit a rampaging grizzly bear without breaking a sweat.Two possibilities come to mind here:
1) Fedor isn't the fighter he used to be, and is going to continue to take easy fights against beatable opponents for big payouts to hide the fact that he is either no longer the best HW MMA fighter in the world, or in fact never was the best in the world, and was simply just the best shoot-fighter in PRIDE.
2) Fedor is EXACTLY as advertised, the top P4P MMA fighter ever, and no one with any sort of promising career is willing to step into the cage on network television and catch a beating from the Last Emperor, sort of like Arlovski did back in January after stupidly giving up on himself and the UFC.And it may seem odd to some of you that I'm praising Fedor. My opinion of the man as a fighter has not changed from my previous 101 derogatory posts, but when contrasted with someone like Brett Rogers, Fedor should be given his due respect.
If Fedor were fighting Brock Lesnar, this would in all likelihood read very differently.IMO it is to see which of the above possibilities is real, and not to see if Fedor can beat Rogers, which is a foregone conclusion unless Fedor contracts swine flu or the T virus between now and next Saturday, is the reason why people will tune in on 7 November.
Subjectively I'd like to see Rogers KTFO Fedor, but objectively I know Fedor will shoot and hook Rogers with minimal effort and difficulty. If Rogers makes it out of the first round with Fedor, it will be because Fedor's fight rust is heavier than originally believed.
And in that insanely rare in in a zillion chance that Fedor loses the fight, I'll be waiting to hear from all of those Fedor supporters who had so much fun at my expense a couple of months back trying to convince me that their boy was the top of the food chain, and that I didn't know what I was talking about...Posted 1 month ago # -
Less understandable is why they selected Rogers, a relative no-name, to be Fedor's first CBS/Strikeforce victim. You would think that both M-1 Global and Strikeforce would want their meal ticket to publicly execute some victim with a bit more MMA cred than Brett "Who?" Rogers, especially considering as how they feel that Fedor is the best in the world, and could submit a rampaging grizzly bear without breaking a sweat.
Lets not forget that Rogers is known to the CBS audience for being the guy that called out Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson after Kevin "beat" James Thompson, and then proceeded to you the mouth piece of ProElite "5oz of Pain" to continue to call out Kevin Ferguson, furthermore lets remember the absolute lack of Heavy Weights (at signing) in the Strikeforce organization... Werdum just took on Mike Pyle and had plans to fight in the ADCC, Overeem was in and out of bar fights/K~1/ DREAM matches and AA has gotten blasted by both men, Roger Gracie has had a child and well I guess there was (at the time of signing) Herschel Walker? For the casual fan Brett Rogers is the perfect choice, a come from nothing American story v the come from nothing Best P4P fighter in the world (how it is being marketed not that I believe it)... So if Brett KO's Fedor a few things are going to happen, Brett will call out Everyone proclaim he is the best ever and believe his hype, and people will say see Fedor was and has never been any good he is all manufactured hype... It is a pretty good situation for CBS this will draw veiwers and I hope it is a great night of fights..
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I can't disagree with any of that, fr702.
I just thought that Fedor, in spite of my personal opinions, deserved a better known and more well-rounded opponent for his CBS coming out party is all...Posted 1 month ago # -
Why would you want your big meal ticket to go against anything other than a tomato can in your network premiere? You gotta pay the bills and keep the hype going until you have more than one immediately recognizable "name". More interesting to me will be how Fauxdor handles the post-fight interview. Will he have a translator or will he try to muddle through english?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0OuPMYGfnY
lol^^^^^^^^^^
Posted 1 month ago # -
That was high quality, Gun.
Posted 1 month ago # -
"I don't even know what WAMMA stands for!!"
And apparently neither did anyone else...
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wait jcohl what are you on about
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I've been watching MMA for over 10 years now and I'm just now starting to understand that there is no such thing thing as a perfect or unbeatable fighter(the spider maybe excluded) Frank Shamrock had a great quote in there about anybody bein dangerous in MMA and while I'm gonna say fedor by whatever the he11 he wants the upset is always just one lil mistake away.
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the Hitler vid was top notch killed me
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@ jcohl
Here is my 5 cents on your respond to the topic. We had this conversation already few times and my first thoughts was , do not respond on your comments , but you continue talking again and again and sometimes what you saying is totally wrong and I have decided: let me try once again. I don't want to talk about Fedor status in MMA hierarchy everybody has they own opinion and it's fine with me, even when you put Josh Barnet on 2 place in HW division and Fedor was far away from him in you ranks. Here is my problems with your statements :1. "Fedor isn't the fighter he used to be, and is going to continue to take easy fights against beatable opponents for big payouts " , what you saying here the only things what Fedor wants is big money for no work, then how would you explain that the guy didn't sign with UFC , to get bigger pay off. How would you explain the same guy fought in Pride for 4000$ most of his fights until Bas Boon help him manage to get him reasonable salary. The guy didn't even receive the Pride championship bonus (50$ K) his management put these money to the own pocket. How would you explain he did agree to fight Josh Barnett who is his friend and was top 3 at the time when they had to fight (even top 2 based on your rankings), then he just could say I don't fight friends and this is it. How would you explain that guy so hungry for the money leave in old house in dark hole of mother Russia and drive old Toyota rav4 that was giving to him as a prezent from the government.
The answer is simple he does not fight cans for big money , he fights for the pride to be the best sportsman and to represent his country worldwide and yes he deserves every penny what he requesting because the talent has to be well paid and this why you have no problem with Hendo asking for the raise.2. "Fedor was simply just the best shoot-fighter in PRIDE" - can you please explain to me what does shoot fighting has to do with Fedor, because I newer knew that Fedor was shoot fighter ? If you read properly the history of shoot fighters you will understand it has nothing to do with Fedor.
3. You said : "Rogers should not even be in a cadge with Fedor" - Then who has to be in a cadge with him if you consider everything what FR has wrote ? If you follow your root in this case Brock shouldn't be a champion and Carwin shouldn't fight with Brock.
Posted 1 month ago # -
Apologies Vasya for taking so long to respond, I guess I just missed your questions yesterday.
First, maybe it wasn't clear by my above post, but I was trying to praise Fedor, give credit where it is due, and make the case that Brett Rogers doesn't possess the MMA gravitas to be in a match with a man so many consider either the greatest MMA HW of all time, the best p4p MMA fighter of all time, or both.
It wasn't my intention to slight Fedor with this particular post, in fact, I was trying to make the case that his "debut" fight on CBS should probably be a title fight, and not some throwaway fight with an opponent like Rogers, who is at best at the TUF level of MMA proficiency.
I even posted on another thread that a fighter with Fedor's credentials shouldn't be facing a guy who has had 10 fights, and 9 of them againstsoft competition when compared to Fedor.Second, I tend to use the term "shoot-fighting" as a catch-all term to include any sort of combat sport with hybrid qualities. As I've explained on numerous occasions, modern MMA is contested in a cage, not a ring. Modern MMA is comprised of 3 to 5 standard 5 minute rounds, not a 10 and a 5 and so on. Modern MMA includes rules to discourage unsportsmanlike curb-stomping like soccer kicking a downed opponent in the head. Modern MMA is sanctioned by SAC's, or the international equivalent. Part of this sanctioning includes routine testing for a whole slate of substances. It has been my understanding that PRIDE was none too concerned with the details of their fighters, if you follow.
And finally, modern MMA has strict existing weightclasses, and rules for special catchweight fights, and does not recognize sideshow fights between HWs and 185ers, or fighters weighing in at 350 or 450 pounds.
The reason I tend to catagorize Fedor as a "shoot-fighter" is because so many of his fights took place in PRIDE, and under some of the guidelines I reference above.
Technically Fedor is not a mixed martial artist, but a SAMBO practitioner.And finally, I couldn't agree more with the notion that Brock Lesnar didn't deserve to be in the cage with Randy Couture, and I said as much in about 100 different lengthy posts. Shane Carwin also hasn't IMO earned a title shot, but how can Lesnar complain when he himself was fast-tracked by a money-hungry promoter?
I'm not trying to disrepspect or disregard Brett Rogers, but beating Andrei Arlvoski, a fighter who has mentally checked out from the sport, doesn't IMO qualify him to face Fedor, a man who right or wrong is considered a legend in MMA.
That being said, MMA is also a business, and Scott Coker and Fedor's handlers agreed to the fight, so if Rogers does in fact KTFO Fedor, they have no one to blame but themselves.I hope this answers your questions, vasya.
I honestly was not trying to re-start any of the old Fedor threads, just trying to make the case that Fedor deserved a better opponent, like Alistair Overeem, for the CBS launch. That didn't happen, and now Fedor has to step in rusty and with questionable hands against a larger, stronger, younger and hungrier opponent.
This to me just didn't seem right, my personal opinions of Fedor notwithstanding...Posted 1 month ago # -
Thanks for the respond jcohl
Now I got your points (except the one that you call Fedor wants to fight cans for a big money , I think this statement is totally wrong and if you watch FEDOR V ROGERS 360 and read my comments you might see it) for the other things here is what I have to say :
Fedor is one of my favorite fighters and I do want him to fight more often against best opponents and win or loose I will be his big supporter not only for him as a fighter, but as a person, but let's deal with him now fighting on Strikeforce.
I like this organization they are not beginners in the sport, but now they are big players in the market and they have to start from the scratch and let me explain why fight vs Rogers is the best thing to do now.
If you read the history of creation of UFC you will see, Royce wasn't the best fighter from the family the time when he steps into his first MMA fight, but he was the smallest guy with the god BJJ skills this why he was the one who represent his family in this tournament. It looks very impressive when the small man won over huge guys , now imagine if he would be as huge as Lesnar and would get win than it wouldn't be that effective how it was. Now let's come back from the history to the reality and see why Rogers vs Fedor is good choice by Strikeforce. A lot of casual fans do not know who is this Russian guy and he needs some marketing in North America, before he has a huge draw power. Now let's see Rogers :
Big guy, 10 - 0 record , all fights by KO, raising star under Strikeforce org against Fedor smaller guy with good skills and now you get classic fight what is the best size and power or skills , now link everything what I just said to the history what I told and you will see why Rogers VS Fedor is good fight. Than after this fight if Fedor wins you can get what you asking for, not the best, but best what Strikeforce can provide at this point: Alistar, Werdum, Big Foot and maybe Barnet. I think it's the best what you can get outside of UFC and not so bad overall. All these fighters can easy be on Top 10 and some of them on Top 5 list.About shoot-fighting : yes , the modern MMA is everything what you just said, but Japan always has it own way , this why you have European Kickboxing and K-1 , is it 2 different sports now, is it different rules, yes. Then why would you call somebody who fight in MMA in Japan shoot fighters ? The fighters who fights under MMA rules they are MMA fighters and the fighter who fights in Shoot fighting they are shoot fighters and if they do both then they are shoot fighters with mma background or mma fighters with shoot fighting background. Shoot fighting is the style and sport as well as mma and if we talking about Fedor he is MMA fighter with SAMBO background and experience of fighting in Japan, but now way he is shoot fighter.
Shoot fighters are: Shamrok, Takada, Tamura, Saku and etc.Posted 1 month ago # -
Could we consider Lesnar as a Shoot fighter? I can.
Posted 1 month ago # -
I'm thinking that if Lesnar draws from a discipline, it would be catch-wrestling, also known as shoot-wrestling, hybrid wrestling, and my personal favorite, scientific wrestling.
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